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Buffalo Boy
He's a self-confessed sexual compulsive, a teetotal right-wing
extremist who made the hit movie Buffalo 66. Andrew Smith meets Vincent
Gallo, painter, actor, model, director, singer - and the man who's made
the most enemies in LA
Andrew
Smith Observer
Sunday September 30,
2001
In 1998, Vincent Gallo made a
brilliant first feature film called Buffalo 66 , in which a troubled young
man, played by Gallo himself, kidnaps a girl (Christina Ricci) and makes
her pretend to be his adoring wife on a rare trip home to see his parents
(Anjelica Huston and Ben Gazarra). Gallo wrote, produced, directed, cast,
styled, scored and edited. He says that he worked 20- to 22-hour days for
four solid months. He says that he still hasn't recovered.
One of the scenes, which you'll remember if you saw the film, takes the
form of a flashback to the protagonist, Billy Brown, as a boy. To cut a
long story short, his pet puppy has peed on the floor, so his father picks
it up and strangles it. You think this sounds melodramatic, but Gallo was
born in Buffalo in 1962 and chose to premier his film there, hosting a
picnic for his extended Italian-American family in the afternoon, at the
end of which everyone was limousined to the theatre. Afterwards, one of
his cousins, an ex-boxer fabulously named Louis 'Kid' Gallo, was heard to
comment that 'If he had made that movie about my parents, I would have
punched his lights out.' The movie wasn't autobiographical, but Billy and
Vincent had a lot in common. It's tempting to see the premier as a kind of
elaborate revenge.
When people refer to him as an actor, he replies that, no, he's not an
actor, he's a hustler. He left school and home at 16 and did all the usual
stopgap jobs, but also raced motorbikes professionally and, with no formal
training, went on to become one of the most successful American painters
of the 80s. He was granted his first solo show in Manhattan at the age of
21 and shared the same dealer as Jean-Michel Basquiat, with whom he also
played in a band, Gray. Through the 90s, his wired screen presence caught
the eye of many independent film makers and he claims to have turned down
roles in Reservoir Dogs and Boogie Nights to work with the maverick likes
of Abel Ferrara (The Funeral) and Emir Kusturica (Arizona Dream, with
Johnny Depp). He is openly contemptuous of the Hollywood milieu and,
uniquely among movie people, speaks his mind of his peers; the
collaborator who most excited him, he will tell you, was the photographer
Richard Avedon, with whom he made the Calvin Klein ad for which he is most
widely recognised. Which may be why the screen writer Paul Schrader (Taxi
Driver etc) is reported to have told his fellow jury members at the
prestigious Sundance independent film festival that he wasn't even
prepared to discuss Buffalo 66. 'I don't like Vincent Gallo or his
attitude,' he is supposed to have said. Gallo still fumes when the subject
is raised. He made a great film, but nobody gave him his prize. Few people
can have more enemies in LA than he does.
He lives in the Hollywood Hills anyway, in a striking house designed by
the modernist architect John Lautner. He has no agent, no manager, none of
the marketing apparatus that usually goes with celebrity, yet is probably
the hippest actor in town right now. After Buffalo 66, he was predictably
offered further funding for his own films and big money to direct other
people's, but instead withdrew to make what turns out to be my favourite
record of the year so far, a nakedly beautiful album called When.
He hasn't drunk alcohol or done drugs since he was 14 and admits to
being sexually compulsive. He purports to be a right wing Republican. He
tells me that his worst times were 1) stepping out of a Parisian nightclub
with a girlfriend at the age of 17, saying, 'I feel really happy,' and
instantly having a breakdown ('My whole life changed in that one second'),
and 2) now. Right now. At least one of these statements may well
constitute a lie.
So, having got all that out of the way, it's time to get properly
weird. For his next trick, they want him to play Charles Manson.
This may seem a strange place to start in on Vincent Gallo, but trust
me, it is the place to start. In 1999, he published a book full of
photographs that had been taken of and by him. In his amusing and
stylishly written introduction, there's a passage in which he talks in
detail about his obsessive adolescent masturbation. Now, any man who tells
you that he recognises nothing of what Gallo describes is a liar. But what
impressed me was the meticulousness with which he went about it.
Displaying great enterprise for a 12-year-old, he planted a collection of
porn magazines all over Buffalo, accompanied by little baggies, each
containing a scoop of his mother's hand cream. He felt safe, he writes,
'knowing that I could sedate myself all over town'. Yet even this doesn't
tell the whole story.
'You know what I would do, because my family didn't have ziplock bags,
I would take sandwich bags and I found that by heating the edges of the
bag, I could seal it and make, like, little shrink-wrap bags. I spent a
lot of time cutting up plastic and forming these little bags. They were
good for one jerk-off. I had a fairly compulsive urge about it, so it was
fairly serious, the level I went to.'
We've been laughing. Now I notice that he's not anymore.
'Well, you know, it was 15 jerk-offs a day. It's extreme. And as soon
as I would come, I would think about it again. And I would do that with
food, too. I became harder and more dark about it.'
He speaks with precise diction and a lot of italics. There is just the
hint of a New York hipster drawl; his default expression is a mischievous
grin. He tells me about the time he almost killed himself by eating too
much at his best mate Johnny Ramone's house, where he would go to get a
free meal when he was really poor in New York. They called an ambulance
and he was revived, but refused to go to hospital. An hour later, he sat
up, took a few deep breaths, walked over to the kitchen and devoured a big
bowl of cereal with milk.
'I don't know why. Those are two things I don't normally eat. And then
I sat back down. That's how I am with work. I'm sort of like a maniac, and
I can't get out of it.'
The sexual obsession grew as Gallo's teenage progressed. It became more
difficult to maintain his excitement, so he started flashing. Then one day
he was picked up by the police and taken home to his hairdresser parents.
According to him, this had happened at least six times before, but always
in relation to petty crimes like shoplifting or fighting or being caught
in a stolen car. The reception he got on this occasion was different.
'My parents were dishonest people. If it was my birthday, I knew my
mother took me to the K-Mart and she stole my toy. She'd put it in the
shopping cart and we'd walk out. I was raised with that. But then I got
caught in this sort of sex crime, that wasn't bringing money to the
family, that was socially unacceptable, that showed signs that I was
having mental problems, which would reflect on my father. So he either had
to blame it on me as some sort of sick, evil mutant, or be responsible for
it. Of course, they chose to think of me as naturally being sick from
birth. And I knew at the moment of being caught that things would never be
the same, that I would never be allowed to be happy, that I would never be
allowed to be myself, that my father would finally have a way to put me
down and make me believe all the shit that he tried to make me believe,
that I never fell for before.'
In his book, he describes a subsequent occasion on which a bra advert
appeared on TV and his father turned around and punched him in the face.
On another, the old man broke his nose in response to a $55 medical bill
for treating a football injury. He had to hide his guitar under the bed,
because it was forbidden, and would hear his mother colluding with her
clients in the salon as they bad mouthed him. I ask him twice whether all
these things are true.
'They're all true. I heard my mother talking badly of me to people who
were talking badly of me in her salon. That's probably the thing that I'm
most sensitive of in all my friendships and my relationships. I just... I
just can't take that. I'm comfortable with enemies, but I can't take it
from friends.'
In case you're wondering, this article - and Gallo's life, in a way -
is about a question I ask myself often: whether it's better to live with
the vivid discomfort of truth, or the numb contentment of self-sedation
through drugs, alcohol, delusion, rationalisation, intellectualisation,
religion; all those things that take the edge off existence and protect us
from having to see ourselves too clearly.
But we're getting ahead of ourselves. The house is perched on
Mulholland Drive, where the movie stars live. It's shaped like a concrete
and glass rainbow and as you stand on the deck, the view over LA on this
bright, warm day is stunning. Gallo has pulled up slightly late in his
Jeep and trotted over to shake hands. Today's look is Soho boho; stained
white T-shirt, frayed brown slacks and red trainers. His hair is long and
straggly and he sports a beard that lends him a passing resemblance to one
of his stated boyhood heroes, Leonardo da Vinci. Given that his other
boyhood heroes are Chris Squire, the bassist from Yes, and Richard M
Nixon, I reckon he looks okay. He's limping badly, because he broke his
toe, but doesn't know how.
Imagining that I've been waiting longer than I actually have, he
apologises for his tardiness.
'Isn't Polly here?' he asks, opening the door and fussing over his
white hound dog.
'Is this Polly?' I say.
'No, this is my dog,' comes the reply. 'She doesn't have a name. It
seems kind of weird to give a dog a name.'
I'm still wrestling with this proposition when Polly Harvey, the
English diva sine qua non, pads into view. It seems she's staying chez
Gallo while preparing for a US tour and I'm trying to imagine them as a
workable couple (a match made in the very depths of hell, I decide...
though he mumbles something about being just friends) when he asks if I
want anything to drink, but she chirps in with 'I expect you might like a
cup of tea?'
'What! Tea?' he exclaims, clearly shaken by this sudden outbreak of
Britishness in his otherwise staunchly American universe.
Harvey delivers tea and departs, only returning about four hours later,
with the words, 'My God, I'd go mad if I had to talk for that long.' Gallo
can indeed talk. We settle in the big, open-plan living/kitchen area,
around the simple wooden dining table that is Gallo's only piece of
furniture. He's acerbic and entertaining, with the fierce intellect of the
self-taught. He loves to bate an audience and has one of the driest senses
of humour I've ever encountered, even in a New Yorker.
I wonder why he chose to step back from film, at the very moment when
he could have cashed in, or done whatever he wanted.
'I didn't want to lose my subjectivity and my objectivity about my
work,' he says. 'I'm not looking for a career. And I don't need to be
regarded. I'm not Harmony Korine [Gummo] or Paul Anderson [Boogie Nights]
or Darren Aronofsky [Pi, Requiem For A Dream], who are already working on
their chapter in the history of film books. I have the capacity to do lots
of different things. I don't feel that I need to repeat myself like that.'
Besides, he goes on to explain, the economics of a million-dollar offer
to direct 'someone else's movie' - which he received - are not what they
seem. By the time you've paid tax and spread it over the two years you'll
be consumed by it, you're on about $200,000 a year, and he can earn that
from an ad or photo campaign, which he'll probably also enjoy more.
'The whole crew in a movie is, in general, lame and out of touch.
There's no connection with culture and aesthetic sensibility and art. And
the only difference in Europe is that you find more people in the crew who
actually like movies there. I mean, do you think Johnny Depp is
interesting? He's not. He might be friends with Iggy Pop now, but do you
think he bought the first Stooges album? Believe it or not, to me, fashion
advertising is more radical and more contemporary and more innovative than
independent cinema.
'A Calvin Klein ad is more visually inspiring than nearly every movie
poster I've seen in the last 20 years. In fact, everybody on the ad I did
was more interesting than anybody that I had worked with in cinema -
everybody. By 10 times . I decided then and there that if I ever made a
movie, I'd fill the crew with fashion people, which is what I did.'
Is it the ruthless ambition of Hollywood people that he objects to?
'Ambition's OK if it relates to the work. But most Hollywood people's
ambitions are to do with what they get from the work. I think I'm good at
collaborating, but what I don't do well is collaborate with people who
have no real passion about what they do. Film people are suspicious of me.
You would think that they'd respond well to my honesty and directness, but
on the whole they're threatened by it.'
His love/hate list springs surprises, though. He hates Tim Roth, hated
his time with Kiefer Sutherland and the hip director Kusturica, but adored
working with Meryl Streep on the cruddy House of the Spirits ('she was the
nicest lady I ever met in my life'). He thinks De Niro, with whom he
appeared in Goodfellas, should be embarrassed by the monsters he's
spawned; on Buffalo 66, Anjelica Huston was a nightmare and Christina
Ricci spat, 'You've ruined my life,' when he dyed her hair blond and
transformed her from a Hollywood brat into a grown-up actress - though she
kept the look for her next film. He gets impatient when people demand to
know how he persuaded such big stars to be in his movie, blustering on one
previous occasion, 'Anjelica Houston got $300,000 for three days in my
film... I paid them you asshole.' For the record, the total budget was
$1.5m and he claims that he lost $160,000 of his own money on Buffalo 66,
because the people who financed the project knew how much he wanted to do
it and cut him a very harsh deal.
So how did he afford this house? He explains that he bought it five
years ago, at the lowest point in a low market, and caught the seller in
some undisclosed naughtiness, thereby obtaining a further discount (how
delightfully Galloesque). According to him, he paid for all of it, and the
collection of vintage guitars and recording equipment with which he
recorded his album, with 'labour money', working in restaurants, doing
plaster work, construction and demolition work. He also bought and sold
rare instruments and took his badly paid acting gigs.
I'm back the next morning at about 10am. He's wearing the same clothes
and says he's been up all night working on various things. He feeds the
dog with, 'She never goes without food, even though I haven't eaten. I
don't have a good lifestyle, don't look after myself.'
We spend a long time talking about politics and I enjoy this
conversation, partly because an intelligent person who considers that
George W Bush might be a good president is a genuine curiosity to me -
more so after the horrific events of two weeks ago - and partly because
Gallo argues his right wing economic case cogently. Towards the end of the
debate, he says: 'If you think of adults as victims, even for a second,
you open a door that you really don't want to open. And the worst part
about opening that door is that it's the most destructive door to open for
the people you're trying to help... I'm aware that, out of context, all
this can sound harsh, but I'm not like that. I can't bear to see pain in
anyone, or anything, though I do all the time, because I'm not prepared to
cut myself off from it. I'm just very conceptual in all ways. If you
really believe in principles, if you focus on them more than
personalities, it's less dangerous.'
I tell him that I think he's an idealist and that idealism is a means
of avoiding the need to think and feel afresh when faced with the chaos of
actual people in an actual world. He wants it to be understandable and
controllable because he can't face the idea that it's not. That it might
be like him. He smiles broadly.
'I told you, I'm an extremist. Even in art, if my work wasn't 50 times
more interesting than me and my petty life, it would be useless.'
We move on to the album, which I love. It reminds me by turns of Tim
Buckley, Little Jimmy Scott and Frank Sinatra Sings for Only The Lonely.
The sound Gallo makes, though, is very much his own: slow and susurrating,
with his fragile voice up close in the mix, as though whispering in your
ear. Tunes such as 'Honey Bunny' and 'Apple Girl' and the title track,
'When' play like love songs, but sound like laments and I find myself
hooked on this tension between love and desperation.
Gallo laughs heartily when I try to explain this. The sentiments are
real: he broke up with his last girlfriend, Bethany, six months ago.
They'd been together two or three years - the longest relationship he'd
ever had. He never had a girlfriend until he was in his thirties.
'Well, in the songs, like the two relationships I've had in my life, my
intentions were beautiful, my intentions were hopeful, that I could have
the courage to do that, that I could enjoy that. But I mean, I've been
shot, stabbed, crashed motorbikes at 100mph and none of those things
frightened me, gave me butterflies, regrets, doubts, made me feel bad
about myself like those relationships.'
I can't help chuckling. Gallo finally joins the human race.
'Yeah, I know. As I was writing each song, I was thinking, "Oh, this is
the sweetest song." But I never realised until I heard it afterwards that
it was filled with loss and fear. I haven't really got over this thing.
When I did the album I was in tremendous chaos, because I focused too much
on the technical part. I recorded for about six hours in the course of
this 24 months of making the record. The rest of it was trying to perfect,
control these things because my relationship was falling apart. One of the
knobs was a slightly different shade of black and I couldn't record until
all the knobs matched. That was how I became. I'm a freak now. I'm moving
towards an extremely eccentric, withdrawn sort of sick, sick mind.'
All of this is spoken quietly but evenly.
What do you mean sick?
'I'm behaving in ways that are not healthy or productive and are
certainly not giving me good feelings. I don't really have intercourse of
any kind. So here I am, very much a sexual compulsive.'
You're a movie star. Can't you sedate yourself by having flings with
people?
'Never. Never. I'll make out sometimes, try to get a hand job or
something really detached. But I can't face the repulsion I get from being
with someone who I don't really like.'
Aren't you talking about what I think of as 'the moment of truth',
which occurs in men the instant after physical satisfaction, when all the
lies and rationalisations that might have led you to this point dissolve
in an instant of clarity, when you know if you really want to be here,
now, with this person? I don't think women get this. They seem to know
before.
'No, women will never understand that. And remember I started having
sex when I was 12 years old. I'd fucked six girls and women when I was 12
- and they were horrible experiences, all of them.'
How did you get to do that?
'Cos I was a maniac. The same way I got the rare Rickenbacker bass I
showed you, by obsessing every minute of the day. By making myself
available to the old man and his 25-year-old wife who picked me up when I
was hitchhiking, by being there in the back seat of the Cadillac they were
driving, being the one with whom they could live out a fantasy where he
gets to watch her giving a young guy a blow job. But as soon as I would
come, it would be horrible. And what's happened to me now is that that
repulsion is present before I come.'
Most men can lie to themselves up to that point. Hence the bizarre
post-coital behaviour which has flummoxed and upset women since the dawn
of time.
'That's right. But I can't lie to myself anymore. I'm probably more
like a woman in that way. I have to be in love to have intercourse. Which
is horrible. I'm worse now than before. And in a city where there's
endless opportunity. I'm a physically ugly person.'
What? Half of my women friends asked if I could smuggle you back to
Britain for them.
'Really? Maybe because they see me in this other context. I accept that
looks is not my best quality and I know it because I know what it was like
before I had any public notoriety. I always got the girls I wanted, but
that's because I always picked the most broken-down disturbed ones, or
they'd choose me. But they were never girls of my fancy. It's been give or
take 12 years since I acted out sexually like that. There have been no
significant sexual acts with anyone other than my two girlfriends since
then and I can't imagine making love to anyone else now.'
That sounds pretty unpleasant. There is a pause.
'Do you drink?'
Yes.
'You see, it's harder if you don't drink because you can't even take
the edge off the repulsion. Off your conscientious mind. Off your
clarity.'
Why did you decide to forgo the anaesthetic so early in life?
'I was in strife. I was in deep, dark strife and holding on by my
fingertips anyway, and I felt that anything that would alter that last
grip that I had on life would make me fall. When you take the sedation,
you're putting your life on hold, checking out because you don't like this
one moment. I can't do that.'
While writing an article on stalking, I once spoke to a psychologist
who explained his theory of how the psychopathic mind is formed. He
ascribed it to events in a person's childhood and the archetypal childhood
he described could have been Gallo's. I point out that he once observed of
himself that 'I like manipulating, it's in my nature.' He exhales deeply.
'Well, a lot of people have said that about me... But no one thinks
they're crazy. I've had lots of extreme behaviour. But I don't do things
without being aware of them. It doesn't mean that I'll always be the best
person I can be. But I don't become the worst person I can be without
being aware of it. Even if I don't tell the people around me that I'm
aware of what I did, I'm always aware of what I did.
'But I had incredible voices during the young period of my life that
made it impossible for me to accept any pleasure, any freedom. I'd created
a torture chamber for myself. As soon as I moved out of my father's house,
where the torture chamber was run by him, I created my own. Paris was the
first time it happened and that's the worst time of my life. The second is
this period now. Because I thought I'd finally become a real person.'
With Bethany? Do you blame yourself for the failure of that
relationship?
'I blame myself for not accepting love. I chose someone who'd play into
my most reactive mind, the part of me that's most afraid of being
disappointed. And I couldn't forgive that person, realise that I'd chosen
that person. Instead I punished her for having shortcomings. It's very odd
not to be your best with the person that you like the most.'
A little later, Gallo starts asking me about my kids, with an interest
that single people very rarely show. He talks about the problems he's
experienced in being consistent with his dog and his horror at getting it
wrong sometimes, a feeling that parents know well. Eventually, he says: 'I
think the greatest thing you can do as a human being is to be a good
parent. That's the most radical impact you can have with your life. The
children of good parents, they spread productivity for years to come. And
the most evil thing that you can contribute to mankind is destructive
parenting.'
Saturday afternoon, a pub in Santa Monica, England has just beaten
Germany 5-1 and everything seems a bit unreal. This morning, I met with
Gallo again but this time he was limping markedly less than he was the day
before. I've also heard some colourful tales from various women whose
paths he's crossed back home. Suddenly, I doubt him. Can he be real? I
call to ask. He sounds a little hurt at first, but recovers quickly.
'No, man, I don't trust anyone, either. But I hate acting too much and
find it too hard work to do it for free. I strapped up my toe differently
yesterday so that I could walk better. You can ask Polly. She's seen how
swollen it is.'
We discuss the Charles Manson movie some people want him to star in. In
fact, he's been toying with the idea of using Manson as the basis for a
film for years, but thinks the bio-pic being planned will be awful.
'I mean, to turn him into a character study... it's embarrassing. What
am I supposed to do, do his accent and play the "real" Charlie? It's
ridiculous. What's the point of it?'
He said he'd do it for a million dollars, because he liked the concept
of being 'The Million Dollar Manson'.
Instead, next year is likely to find Gallo slaving on a successor to
Buffalo 66, called The Brown Bunny. He's got a thing about the name Brown,
he tells me, and, given that I have a grandad named Charlie Brown and a
mum who was christened Betty Brown, I decide not to ask why. And do you
know what else? In England, I'm informed by reliable sources that he and
Polly Harvey are involved in a relationship.
Can he repeat the success he had with that first effort? I don't know.
What I do know is that whatever he does is unlikely to be bland. There are
times when Vincent Gallo seems like an infantile freak, but others when I
think he's the last genuine artist in America. And I'll go back to my
sedation now, I think.
His brilliant career
1978: Arrives in Manhattan, aged 16, sleeps in his
self-customised blue 66 Chevelle Supersport convertible with his stereo
and stolen food.
1978: Spends summer in Paris. Realises that he can 'make it
through each day' by drawing. Has what he calls a nervous breakdown.
'France is the best place in the world to have the worst time of your
life.'
1978: Returns to New York. Forms band, Gray, with his friend the
artist Jean-Michel Basquiat. Makes his first Super 8 film.
1979: Appears in play, Buffala, in Rome. 'I hate plays, never
again. Never. Never, never, never.'
1981: Co-manages hip-hop crew New York City Breakers. Is shot in
the leg during a gang altercation. Next band, Bohack, releases album, It
Took Several Wives - now a collector's item.
1983: First solo art show.
1983: Appears in first feature film, The Way It Is, for which
his soundtrack also wins Best Music Award at the Berlin Film Festival.
1984: Gets married. Marriage lasts 10 weeks. 'I can't remember a
day with her, but I think she was nice sometimes.'
1987: His friend Jean-Michel Basquiat dies. 'His death was no
surprise, but it sure was sad anyway.'
1988: Has a normal day. 'I was 26 years old before I knew what
it was like to have an ordinary day. I was in Rome and I immediately came
back to New York and went into therapy in the hope of repeating the
experience.'
1989: Starts writing the screenplay to Buffalo 66. First book of
paintings published.
1990: Vanity Fair runs an article on Gallo the painter. Decides
to stop painting. Scores a part in Martin Scorcese's Goodfellas.
1993: Co-stars with Johnny Depp, Faye Dunaway and Winona Ryder
in Arizona Dream. Meets Meryl Streep on the set of House of the Spirits.
'I made $30,000, which was enough to support me for a year.'
1994: Stars and steals the show in Palookaville. Makes pocket
money selling rare guitars.
1996: Collaborates with Richard Avedon as the face of Calvin
Klein for their 'be' campaign. Models for Yohji Yamamoto and Anna Sui,
too. Buys Lautner's famous Rainbow House in the Hollywood Hills. Stars in
The Funeral with Abel Ferrara - 'He's the only director I wouldn't argue
over money with.'
1997: Forms band, Bunny. Assembles cast including Christina
Ricci, Anjelica Huston, Ben Gazarra and Mickey Rourke to make Buffalo 66.
Films it in one month. Writes for hi-fi magazines.
1998: Buffalo 66 released. The independent cinema hit of the
year. Gallo hits magazine covers everywhere. Goodbye Lover, directed by
the Brit Roland Joffé (The Killing Fields) and co-starring Patricia
Arquette, is released.
1999: With his star riding high in Hollywood, turns back on
film. Publishes a book of photography Gallo 1962-999. Starts to record an
album, When.
2001: When is released with edgy British underground label Warp.
Is lined up for the film role of Charles Manson.
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